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the pressure on the president is growing from democrats who want him to come out in support of gay marriage. his campaign says he is disappointed now that north carolina voters okayed a constitutional amendment recognizing marriage as only between men and women. but his views on the subject are still officially evolving. >> if you are president obama, if you're politician obama, you think about that a little bit longer. and this is a pure political calculation. >> joining me now is major garrett and erin mcpike. both of you on set, great to have you here. >> good morning. >> major, polls show a majority of americans support gay marriage. it's come a long way. does a vote like this in a swing state essentially send a message to the president, you're smart to stay silent? >> the polls were clear on this. the president says he's
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evolving. but you can't evolve. you're either for or against. you may move from one to the other. but until you move to yes, you're no. until you say, i'm for it. you're against it. the gay community know that is. evolving is a way for the president to sound like there's an active mental process going on. what's the big hurdle? >> you also wrote, quote, just because something is tactical doesn't mean there isn't a genuine evolution occurring. >> right. you can move. but until you move, you're still no, you're still against. the president is sorting this through. but the problem is, it's a political decision. what he's left with is tactical reactions and tactical responses. and this debate about gay marriage does not hurt the president at all, in my opinion. >> will it hurt him at all with his supporters in the gay community? i was thinking what it was going to be like for him talking to a reasonable number of liberals with george clooney raising a lot of money. we had a big lgbt fund-raiser
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coming up. is it going to hurt him really? >> well, it's possible. it's possible he doesn't get the enthusiasm up and get some of the donations he wants. i think it hurts more in a donor community that he's not all the way there. i think and a lot of democrats think that the president does now support gay marriage and the evolution has happened. but politically, he can't do it just yet. >> rick santorum talked to jay leno about this last night. let me play that clip. >> i know you oppose gay marriage. i'm not going to change your mind on that even though i think you're wrong. >> i think barack obama and mitt romney, most of the people in political life oppose gay marriage. at least they say they do. >> that might have been a little shot there. how much pressure is there on him and will he will have to bow to that -- >> pressure in relation to what? pressure in relation to an unfinished agenda? yes. this is the last unchecked box
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for president obama for the gay rights agenda he brought and promised to the white house. >> repealing "don't ask, don't tell," signing the hate crimes law, advocating for visitation for same-sex partners. >> i think as this conversation continues, the obama campaign will relentlessly talk about that. he's not there on gay marriage. but everything else has been achieved with or dealt with legislatively or through executive order. >> and yet the gay community feels that he's not done enough. there's a lot of disappointment with the president despite that record. >> but when you hear a joe biden or arne duncan saying, i support gay marriage, is that essentially sending a message from the president to the gay community, i'm with you, let's get through november? >> that's been my theory all along. and it allows the president to show a little bit of distance in places like north carolina and virginia that he wants to win.
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>> there are other places that's coming up for a vote, too. maryland, minnesota, washington state, sort of the -- >> none of those places cut like the states did in 2004. >> but it keeps it in the conversation. >> it does. but in 2004 -- and it's become a mythology about 2004 that because gay marriage was on 20 different ballots across the nation, that's why george bush won. he won iowa and new mexico with a huge turnout operation. there was no gay marriage issue on any of those ballots. i don't think it cuts politically as much as it did in 2004. >> does it cut the other way? does it energize the right? does it give them another talking point to try to get people to the polls come november. >> potentially. and i think -- part of the reason that rick santorum was successful in the primary up to a certain point was that he energized social conservatives who felt that they had no one taking on their case for them.
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so in part it does. will it be enough to overtake democrats when lots of these background states have become more moderate? hard to say. >> it's tough for mitt romney because he used to be much more progressive or forward-leaning on gay rights in 1994 when he challenged ted kennedy in massachusetts in that senate race. everything will be funneled into the economic message for romney. >> i want to talk about another big vote for democrats last night. that one was in wisconsin. now we know the june 5th recall election will be a rematch between governor scott walker and tom barrett in a battle testing labor unions' muscle, maybe even its viability. the winner of last night's primary mayor tom barrett joins me. good morning, mr. mayor. >> good morning. >> have you heard from labor leaders, will you see strong support there? >> i'm very confident not only
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will the other candidates who ran for this office will support me but i will get the labor unions' support. we're looking forward to having a very unified front for the next 28 days and beyond that. >> i want to ask you, look at these numbers. the walker campaign has raised $25 million. you've raised $831,000. how do you compete sf? >> well, david beat goliath, as you may recall. scott walker is going to raise a lot of money from out of state. he's raised $13 million already this year. 60% to 70% of that came from out-and-state donors. we know in terms of spending that he's going to fastly outspend us in this race. but just last week, there was an independent poll that had me with a one-point lead over skol
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walker. this is a lot about turnout. and we have a lot of grassroots organization going on. we have our website and people are being engaged. it's very exhilarating in this topsy-turvy world of wisconsin government. >> the poll i looked at showed that most people have made up their mind. most democrats are voting democrat. most republicans are voting republican. tell me a little bit more about your get out the vote efforts. and i should tell you i got an e-mail from a labor leader who is very tuned into wisconsin. this is what he has written to me. labor has united, will remain united behind tom barrett with 29 field offices, scores of volunteers and coalitions we haven't seen since 2008. we are prepared to do the work and ensure walker is defeated on june 5th. your reaction to that. >> that doesn't surprise me. obviously i'm pleased to have the support of working men and women throughout the state of wisconsin. i found in the primary i did. now the key is to get that
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turnout activated. the temperature here is very, very high on both sides of the aisle. this is a highly pitched battle. scott walker's supporters feel intensely in favor of him. and his opponents, the people supporting me, are very, very unhappy with the way he created an ideological civil war here in the state of washington and now is having the time of his life becoming the rock star of the far right. >> the walker campaign started running negative ads against you last month. >> for eight years, tom barrett has led milwaukee backwards. under barrett, milwaukee has had one of the worst job creation records of any big city in the u.s. and one of the worst graduation rates in the country. and barrett raised taxes on working families. >> is this going to mirror the national campaign? to quote james carville, it's
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the economy, stupid. >> certainly we're going to continue to see those commercials that i call 30-second drive-by shootings. and they have a lot of money to do it. but we're going to combat it. scott walker was the county executive of milwaukee. all of these sins that he has visited upon milwaukee are sins that he was part of for seven years while he was the county executive here in milwaukee. but it's really going to be about the economy. under scott walker's leadership, the state of wisconsin has lost more jobs than any other state in this entire country. in fact, in the last year, wisconsin's the only state that has lost jobs. and so that is very much an anchor around him because he's the one who said he was going to come in and create 250,000 jobs. instead, he launched this ideological civil war that has divided this state now for 16 months. i will end the civil war in wisconsin. >> we do want to say that we did invite the governor to come on. and he said he could not fit it
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into his schedule. mayor tom barrett, thank you very much for being with us. let me go back to you guys. major, obviously this election is about the economy. is it going to tell us something about the strength of unions? >> it will. i think the wisconsin recall election is the warm-up act for the national campaign. everything that will be visited on the national campaign, messages, grassroots organizing, super pac advertising, all the fundamentals, we'll see played out in wisconsin. and june is going to be an important month for both parties. you have wisconsin, both parties care deeply about that, not just there but nationally. and you have the supreme court deciding on the health care act. if walker loses and the supreme court upholds the law, they're going to be so energized by that. contrast that, if republicans hold on with walker and the supreme court knocks down health care, there will be enormous
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push behind the romney campaign. >> this is one of the big questions, the enthusiasm gap, the democrats who have been disappointed, they wanted to see barack obama do more, would they turn out? the republicans who really have never been able to muster much enthusiasm for their nominee, will they turn out for romney? how important is what major has to say, which is sort of getting people fired up at that point in the campaign. >> what republicans in washington tell me is that if scott walker wins this rematch in june, it means that wisconsin should be considered a very competitive swing state in the presidential election in november. ten electoral votes. ten electoral votes that democrats usually count on. the republicans are telling me, no, it is a swing state. and if scott walker wins, we better be seeing the media cover wisconsin to the end. and if barack obama loses wisconsin, that's essentially --
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>> and the labor leaders i talk to tole me they plan to pump a lot of their energy and money into -- >> that's right. if they win. that's money well spent. if they lose, it's money you can't spend again and it's money that went to a noble cause, perhaps, from their point of view, but unsuccessful. and you can't spend that money twice. a ton of resources are being poured into wisconsin. that's why it's huge for both parties. >> when you also talk about the enthusiasm gap, there's a feeling that people don't necessarily pay a lot of attention until we're getting much closer, october, november. i wonder, will there be a lingering impact from either wisconsin or the health care vote? >> i don't mean rank-and-file republicans, i mean those who operate in the entrenched democratic and republican circles and donors. those who are enthused about things deeply.
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if there's a split decision, it's sort of half and half. but if it goes strongly in either direction, i think it will have a dramatic positive effect for whoever's received to be the winner and vice versa for the loser. >> the romney campaign is counting on this and they want to talk just about the economy when voters tune n. but the obama campaign is talking to women, to latinos, to young people about issues specific to the them, issues they care about. they have two different strategies and they might be able to get they coalition together -- >> about wisconsin, the subtext in that race is buyer's remorse. did you make a mistake electing scott walker? that's a powerful message from the democrats. if walker holds on, then republicans can say, we survived the buyers remorse question and we can focus that on obama.
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do you have buyer's remorse over president obama in 2008? >> great to see you both. thank you for coming in. details that read like a spy novel. new information after a double agent thwarts a terror bombing. it's real and it's next. ♪ you are my sunshine, my only sunshine ♪ ♪ you make me happy [ female announcer ] choose the same brand your mom trusted for you. children's tylenol, the #1 brand of pain and fever relief recommended by pediatricians and used by moms decade after decade.
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there is a big unanswered question the cia is looking at this morning -- how much damage could that new underwear bomb in yemen have caused to an airplane? we now know the suicide bomber recruited by al qaeda to actually wear the device on a u.s.-bound jet was, in fact, a double agent. a saudi intelligence officer who managed to get the device out of yemen and gave to it the cia. meanwhile, homeland security officials say they can't be certain that the bomb would have been detected by airport screening.
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pete williams has been following this story. pete, good morning. just how dangerous, first of all, was this operation? when i first heard it, that's what i thought, this has to be some kind of spy novel. >> reporter: it's hard to overstate either how successful this operation was or how dangerous it was. successful in the fact that it gave us the actual bomb. great insight into the current leadership of al qaeda. their bomb-making skills and where some of the key figures were in this very dangerous group, al qaeda in the aben peninsula. dangerous that it is the number one threat to united states. and a friendly intelligence source was inserting someone into it. if at any point that person's real mission had been uncovered, it would have been probably fatal. >> it allowed the u.s. to target some of the top al qaeda in yemen people, right? >> reporter: on sunday, there was an air strike who killed fahd al quso who was wanted for
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the u.s. for his role in the attack on the "uss cole" and because he's thought to have been the top operational person in al qaeda who succeeded anwar al awlaki. and u.s. officials say this latest plot wouldn't have gone forward if he hadn't personally approved it. >> let me ask you about this -- could there be fallout that the fact that this double agent was essentially uncovered? >> reporter: two issues here. one is the existence of this operation itself. and that's something that the administration and congressional leaders say they want to investigate. how during the fact that this operation was still going on last week before it became public, how did work of that begin to leak out? we though that word of it was received by the "associated press." the. the a. claims it held off on the story until it was told it was no longer dangerous to do so.
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but congressional leaders and administration leaders say they want to investigate this. >> two parts to the investigation, could it have been detected and how much damage could it have been done? >> reporter: of course, in terms of could it have been decked, it doesn't really present any challenge different than the first underwear bomb that was brought over successfully into a plane in 2009, although it didn't go off as designed. it's basically the same design. both were nonmetallic. these are pictures of the 2009 device. both had high explosives in them, different chemicals, better detonator, apparently, this time. but in terms of detecting it, it doesn't present any different challenge to screeners than the first one did because they both were nonmetallic. could it have been detected? maybe, maybe not by the screening machines. but homeland security says if you combine the screening machines with other protocols, intelligence, background of passengers, they feel relatively
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confident they would have found it. in terms of how much damage it would have done, that's a very difficult thing to say. certainly would have caused an explosion on the plane if it would have gone off. whether it would have brought a plane down is always a difficult thing to say. even if you blow a whole hole i airplane, it won't necessarily crash. we've seen mechanical failures and gaping holes on planes and they've still been able to land them. >> it shows -- we've seen this many times, fortunately since 9/11 when we talked about and inquiries really were concerned about the fact about our communication and our cooperation with foreign government. this is really an example of how it works, right? >> reporter: that's right. whether this is going to make it less desirable for other intelligence services to cooperate with the u.s., i just don't know the answer. i know there's concern about that. i also know some of the
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governments involved here are some of the ones talking about what happened. so that's a difficult one to judge. >> pete williams, fascinating story, thank you so much. meantime, how about this one? officials in indonesia are searching for a civilian plane that has 46 people on board. as we understand, these are pictures of the missing aircraft. it's a russian-made plane. it was on a demonstration flight for journalists and potential buyers. last night, pilots requested to descend from 10,000 to 6,000 feet. then it went off radar during the descent. authorities haven't ruled out a hijacking or a crash. [ kate ] many women may not be properly absorbing the calcium they take because they don't take it with food. switch to citracal maximum plus d. it's the only calcium supplement that can be taken with or without food. that's why my doctor recommends citracal maximum. it's all about absorption.
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of new mexico. considering his opponent was president obama, republicans jumped on the news saying, it's proof of the president's unpopularity. rick santorum donned a sweater vest and talked to jay leno last night. what's in the cards for his political future? >> are you going to run for president in '16? >> we're going to have a republican president. >> celebrities are putting their money behind elizabeth warren for u.s. senate in massachusetts. these celebrities are holding a fund-raiser for her. tonight, the white house will be filled with the sounds of beautiful music, maybe a little "do you know the way to san jose?" . the performers will include stevie wonder, sheryl crow, michael feinstein, diana kraul
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that should do it. enjoy your new shower. [ door opens, closes ] these are live pictures from charlotte, north carolina. hundreds of people have gathered for a protest, kind of an occupy-type protest, outside of a shareholders meeting for bank of america. in fact, a number of those protesters were sitting in the middle of the street. they blocked traffic there in downtown charlotte. it was organized by something called the 99% power and unity alliance. they've billed these activities as, quote, showdown in charlotte, protesting the bank of america's actions in regard to foreclosures. banks' support of the coal industry. we'll keep our eye on what's going on. right now, it is a peaceful protest in downtown charlotte,
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north carolina. also making news this morning, tennessee police are hoping new surveillance video will help them track down suspected kidnapper and murderer adam mayes. mayes was spotted in a mississippi convenience store on april 30th three days after jo ann bain and her three daughters disappear disappeared. yesterday, mayes' ex-wife and mother was arrested. investigators say they helped mayes carry out the alleged kidnapping. the mother and one daughter were found buried in a back yard the other two girls haven't been found. and the trial for balfour. a 30-minute defense was put on and his attorneys didn't call him to the stand. overnight scares. two southwest airlines flights had to be isolate and inspected after somebody called in a bomb threat.
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both planes were later given the all-clear. no explosives were found. but tsa screeners found a disassembled handgun hidden inside a stuffed animal. after the tsa said they don't believe there was a real threat, there were reports the gun parts and ammo may have been planted as part of a custody dispute. the new jersey tanning mom accused of taking her 5-year-old into a tanning bed gets her own action figure. wait till you see this. we'll show you when we go down to the wire in 20. we could with looking at an even more polarized washington after last night's defeat of longtime defeat of senator richard lugar. he lost to richard mourdoch. >> bipartisanship ought to
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consist of democrats coming to the republican point of view. we wanted to give more of a national voice to the idea that republicans and more specifically conservatives would be in the majority of the united states senate and the house and hopefully we have a republican in the white house. >> i'm joined now by clarence page. that's a different interpretation of what bipartisanship means. it means you come over to my side. >> well, yeah, that's really different. that's kind of the same thing, only different. what we've been seeing really since the early '90s have been a steady polarization in congress. and this result in indiana shows you that the tea party is still out there and they have a big impact in primary elections and that the republican party is more than ever pushed over to the right. how this turns out in november, it's going to be an interesting showdown. indiana's a conservative state traditionally.
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barack obama was the first democrat to carry it in something like 40 years, i believe. and that is the sort of thing that can make a difference in november. however, obama did carry it. democrats have a better chance of getting the state than they did when dick lugar looked like he was going to be the probable candidate. >> but he had other issues including the fact he didn't live in indiana anymore. and he didn't seem to realize that he was going to be challenged. let me play for you -- or show you what dnc chair debby wasserman-schultz tweeted. "it's official, the republican party is now tin distinguishable from the tea party." is that a refrain we're going to hear as we get closer to the election. >> we will. there are several new books out about the recent congress which
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say the same thing. all the analysis shows the republican moderates, much to their frustration, what is left of them, has been largely silenced or overwhelmed by the far right megaphone. and many moderate republicans have been voting more and more democrat lately. that's the sort of thing that spells trouble for washington to be able to get anything done. the forecast right now is for more gridlock. >> and i think the whole idea that two moderate house democrats from pennsylvania lost the primary doesn't bode well. if anybody actually is a moderate out there, do you see them saying, you know what, this isn't the time for me to be running? is it going to be very, very difficult to recruit anybody who can turn this in a more moderate direction? >> look at the republican presidential race. the moderate, if you will, like a jeb bush or a chris christie, they've been stag on the
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sidelines. and we saw a big contest to see who could be the most conservative to saw mitt romney pushed much father to the right than he's ever been before. there are moderate pragmatists out there. we're just not hearing from them right now. if president obama faces a democratic senate, you definitely have gridlock -- sometime, if republicans take both the houses, you definitely have gridlock, even if democrats have them but don't have a veto-proof majority, you have more gridlock. we've seen that in recent years. i don't see that changing. >> i find it really interesting that as the democrats are saying, look, here's the extreme right, you're watching the tea party take over the republican party, we saw mitt romney sort of try to reverse that and push the liberal label onto barack obama. let me play you a little clip of what he had to say. >> president clinton, remember he said the era of big government was over. president obama brought it back
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with a vengeance. president clinton made efforts to reform welfare as we know it. president obama is trying to tirelessly expand the welfare state. >> could that be an effective strategy for mitt romney, painting barack obama as extremely to the left of bill clinton? >> that's what the democrats are planning to do, mitt romney father to the right than ronald reagan. mitt romney definitely has to rally his base as well as reach out to swing voters. and john mccain was caught in that same dilemma four years ago. didn't work out that well for him. he never really had a clear message. and sarah palin only helped him for a few days when it came to his approval ratings. and obama also has to rally his base now, which is not as fired up and ready to go as it was four years ago, while reaching
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out to the middle. in both cases, we're going to hear moderate outreach combined with that strident base talk like you just heard from mitt romney. >> clarence, good to see you. thank you. to a man who wanted to be president, another critical day of testimony at the john edwards trial. his former speechwrir, wendy button, is back on the stand after testifying that edwards told her that he knew a wealthy donor had donated money to hide his mistress. i'm joined by hampton dellinger and savannah guthrie. edwards cried during his speechwriter's testimony. you were in the room, hampton. what happened? >> reporter: she said that john edwards told her that he knew
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that fred baron was taking care of covering up the affair the whole time. she also said that he had no idea that bunny mellon's money was involved. he looked tearful when she talked about the pain he conveyed to her for lying about being the father of quinn, the child with his mistress, rielle hunter. breaking news within the last hour, the presiding judge saying the witness list today does not include rielle hunter. >> for today or period? >> reporter: for today. no. >> could rielle hunter take the stand? >> reporter: absolutely. i have not thought that they would be called by the government. i think if we see rielle hunter -- and i think we will -- it will be on the defensive side of the case. i think we'll see john edwards and i think we'll see rielle hunter. but it will be the edwards defense team that puts them both on the stand. >> if rielle hunter takes the stand, who would she take the
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stand for? it's hard to see how someone who has so expressed her love for john edwards could be used very effectively for the prosecution. and they needed a good day. >> she's such a loose cannon. it's such a mixed bag. she may have some testimony that might be favorable to the government. but it would be better for the government to let the defense call her, they can cross-examine her, control her better. from everything we've heard, she's a little bit wild a little bit of a loose cannon. as you point out, this is somebody who certainly shares a child with john edwards, appears to have some kind of continuing relationship with john edwards. so it's not clear that she would be sympathetic to the government. >> i wonder about the sympathy factor. john edwards was crying when he talked about denying paternity of his child, it seems to me the sympathy is with elizabeth edwards in this trial. every time the subject comes up,
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it makes him seem all the more unlikable. do we think that somehow rielle hunter is going to help the jury to understand how this ever could have happened? >> this child has not portrayed many sympathetic characters, john edwards, rielle hunter looks ridiculous through many of the government's witnesses. andrew young had a terrible time on the stand. there aren't any saints in this trial, save perhaps elizabeth edwards. but even she in some of the testimony has not come off terribly well. it's unclear the jurors will be looking at any of these characters sympathetically. they have to sift through the salacious details and focus on what is an arcane question of campaign finance law. what were the purpose of these donations, to influence the presidential election or for some other reason, to help john edwards avoid public humiliation? that's the key question in the case. >> we're told that jennifer
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palmieri is expected to take the stand and talk about an argument she witnessed where elizabeth edwards confronted donors about support for her husband's mistress. what can you tell us about this testimony? what are we expecting? >> reporter: jennifer palmieri is in the courthouse planning to take the stand today. i think her testimony will buttress the government's case that john edwards knew monies were being used to cover up his affair. it didn't show that edwards knew that was illegal. as savannah has said, that is a very tough standard, showing a willful violation to meet, just because edwards knew about the i a fair being covered up doesn't mean he knew it was a crime to do so. >> i guess the question at this point is, have they made their case so far? do they need some more of these witnesses to bolster who was already a difficult prosecution? >> they're doing everything they can to corroborate what andrew
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young, the key witness here, has testified to. but at the end of the day, i think there will be points the government has to prove that only andrew young has testified to. so the case in some ways still rises and falls on his credibility. that's a problem for the government. the government has done a good job of bringing people in who said john edwards did know about these contributions, they knew they were going to pay for rielle hunter. and to that extent it has shown that john edwards perhaps is lying when he now contends at trial that he knew nothing about these donations. does that get you to beyond a reasonable doubt that he knew they were illegal campaign contributions? it's a tough case for the government. >> savannah and hampton, thank you both. there is, if you can believe it, more relief on the way at the gas pump. mandy drury is here with what's moving your money. the government has lowered its price forecast for the summer. good news. >> reporter: yeah, really, it is good news. it's just in time for summer. the government says conditions are improving.
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the e.i.a. has slashed their forecast for average gas prices during the summer driving period from april to september. instead of the $3.95 gallon per estimate, it expects prices to average $3.79 during the period. as it happens, the new forecast is exactly the same price the eia said motorists were paying on money. it also said it cut the sum forecast because crude oil prices have fallen and they continue to decline today. >> let me ask you about this sign, another sign of the auto industry coming back. ford is going to boost production? >> reporter: yeah, rising car and truck sales have prompted ford to add a week of production at 13 northern american factories to pump out another 40,000 vehicle this is year. most factories have been running at capacity. they're going to cut in half the two-week summer shutdown.
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things seem to be getting better for the whole industry. u.s. auto sales have been running around an annual rate of over 14 million, up from last year's 12.8 million. and there's going to be 15 million next year. the shares for ford are down about 30% from their high of $15.35 almost a year ago. let's hope better sales translate into better sale prices as well. >> mandy, thank you. if you have a little extra cash, an andy warhol portrait of elvis presley as a cowboy is expected to sell for $30 million to $50 million in tomorrow's sotheby's auction. warhol produced a series of 22 images of elvis. nine are in museums. this is the first one that's been available since 1995.
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according to new research, berries can boost brain function. in a study involving thousands of women, those who regularly ate berries such as blueberries and strawberries delayed cognitive aging by more than two years. and with berry season just around the corner, the news couldn't have come at a better time. college students who want to get big money out of politics have a new strategy to fight super pacs. they're starting their own. student activists and a growing number of watchdog groups have set up more than a dozen super pacs. i'm joined by robert lucas, who's a georgetown university student. good to see you, good morning.
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>> thank you for having me on. >> this sounds a little counterintuitive. how do you stop super pacs by starting a super pac? >> c.r.e.e.p. is a lesson as much as it is a solution. the lack of disclosure can cause corruption. senator mccain said it best. there will be major scandals. if we have this much money and this few regulation, we're going to have scandals after this election. they will come out. so what c.r.e.e.p. does is propose a solution based on the past. it's based off the 1972 nixon fund-raising committee where it was a corrupt committee in the watergate scandal that led the burglaries and so the purpose here is to highlight those problems of the past to propose solutions for today. many of them are applicable. >> i understand, though, that you're not raising money. you're not accepting donations in your super pac. doesn't that put you at a pretty
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big disadvantage in getting your message out? >> no, i think what's missing in this debate is an idea, a real idea. people think they can throw money at this problem and solve it. i think that's exactly what's wrong. we need to be building consensus, focus on congress, not the courts. and we need to reform the tax code so that non-profits donating to super pacs have to disclose their donors and reform the financial system to get candidates to play by the rules. >> robert lucas, thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us. north carolina's passage of amendment one defining marriage as between a man and a woman getting a lot of reaction on twitter. it makes it a trending topic. today's tweet of the day comes from ellen degeneres. getting married was one of the greatest things i have ever done. i hope everyone in north carolina gets the same opportunity someday. imes a day?
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good morning. i'm thomas robert. the agenda next hour, up-to-the-minute reaction to the amendment one in north carolina. the we-do campaign expect to flood local offices requesting same-sex marriage licenses anyway. we're going to follow that story. and what do we know about the al qaeda infill traitor who helped foil a plot to take down a u.s. airliner with an underwear bomb. and we'll have the latest on the john travolta allegations. let's go down to the wire. the tanning mom has her own action figure. check out this tannerexic doll. the company said they were
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